The Open Door...Symbology?

[FlamesHaveDestroyed]

Hm. Posted this on another Evanescence Forum, figured I'd ask you all, since it seems that...no one seems to post about it.

I don't want to sound like a smart alec but I think I'm one of the first to figure this out. XD Then again, I stare at CDs for hours so...the person with no life figures this stuff out. So, class, turn to your Open Door booklets...you'll note the pretty pictures at the top, well, OMGAHGUESSWHAT? They MEAN something. (DUN DUN DUN CONSPIRACY THEORY).

Indeed.

Examples:

Ok, the bird in Cloud Nine; Y'know, a bird flying free...without any troubles...it's like, cloud nine, which is this carefree sort of place, where you're free.

And Snow White Queen, the bird is caged, and trapped; kind of like Amy explains in the song, how people almost trap her, and try to take her life away...thanks to obsessed people.

Lose Control, it's a lamb...the lyrics..."Mary had a lamb..."

Your Star; Telescope.
Corny, but you get the picture.

All That I'm Living For- has a key..."Lock the last open door" Kind of obvious.

And Good Enough, has a heart...so self explanitory. And apparently, Amy has a heart necklace just like the one in the picture.

And, on the iTunes version of the CD, Lacrymosa has a tear drop; Lacrymosa means the shedding of tears, or something along the lines of this.

Like You, has a coffin...so...I shant go into detail.

The one I'm struggling with is The Only One...

Anyways, hope this clears things up...

[rock22chic]

hehehe i actually noticed that the first time that i looked at it...you know that amazing first time where you listen to the whole album while reading the lyrics... um about "the only one" i'm looking at the pic above the lyrics and i can't quite figure out what the animal is but i do notice that it's bitting his own wings, maybe it means something, not sure if i'm explaining myself...

hehehehe i guess that while listening to it i was like "ohhh ok" hehehe hey we're both pretty observers...

peace...

[Animato]

I'd say they're more illustrative than symbolic, but that doesn't really matter. I like this sort of thing, makes it a more well-rounded product. Attention to detail, and the like.

Dog? Looks like some mythological guardian hybrid. Wiiiiild guess, obviously.

[cowbell]

shoudn't it be referred to as "Symbolism" as opposed to Symbology?

[huskmc]

Hm. Posted this on another Evanescence Forum, figured I'd ask you all, since it seems that...no one seems to post about it.

I don't want to sound like a smart alec but I think I'm one of the first to figure this out. XD Then again, I stare at CDs for hours so...the person with no life figures this stuff out. So, class, turn to your Open Door booklets...you'll note the pretty pictures at the top, well, OMGAHGUESSWHAT? They MEAN something. (DUN DUN DUN CONSPIRACY THEORY).

Indeed.

Examples:

Ok, the bird in Cloud Nine; Y'know, a bird flying free...without any troubles...it's like, cloud nine, which is this carefree sort of place, where you're free.

And Snow White Queen, the bird is caged, and trapped; kind of like Amy explains in the song, how people almost trap her, and try to take her life away...thanks to obsessed people.

Lose Control, it's a lamb...the lyrics..."Mary had a lamb..."

Your Star; Telescope.
Corny, but you get the picture.

All That I'm Living For- has a key..."Lock the last open door" Kind of obvious.

And Good Enough, has a heart...so self explanitory. And apparently, Amy has a heart necklace just like the one in the picture.

And, on the iTunes version of the CD, Lacrymosa has a tear drop; Lacrymosa means the shedding of tears, or something along the lines of this.

Like You, has a coffin...so...I shant go into detail.

The one I'm struggling with is The Only One...

Anyways, hope this clears things up...

i thought about the book of revelation when i first seen the name of the album. (Rev 4:1) After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will show thee things which must be hereafter.
but i could be completely wrong. just what i thought of. :D

[FlamesHaveDestroyed]

shoudn't it be referred to as "Symbolism" as opposed to Symbology?

Haha...grammar police eh? Don't think it makes that much of a difference...same thing.

[cowbell]

um, no, not grammer police, kthnx

and no, it's not the same thing, actually.
this is what wikepedia says

Symbology versus Symbolism
Symbolism is the use of a symbol to send a message. For example, the simple symbolism of a cross is to represent Christianity.

Symbology is the symbolism plus how it is used in ritual (aka "ritual performance"). For example, on Good Friday of each year a man dressed in a white robe will bear a large wooden cross on his shoulders, dragging it along cobble streets in Jerusalem. People in the crowd watching will offer to take the cross for a while to relieve the man of his burden. Within the ritual context or drama, the symbol of the cross is grouped with other symbols, such as the white robe, and the location (Jerusalem, a narrow cobbled street). ALL of that "ritual performance" is symbology.



Now, since your location is stated as "Pedophile" I really don't know if you're a native English speaker or not...the only reason I said something was because the word Symbology struck me as being odd.


annnyyways, I think my favorite bit would probably be about Mary and the Lamb in Lose Control

[CrackedOutLithium]

the duck in the beginning of the only one?

[huskmc]

lol that duck is hilarious

[FlamesHaveDestroyed]

um, no, not grammer police, kthnx

and no, it's not the same thing, actually.
this is what wikepedia says

Symbology versus Symbolism
Symbolism is the use of a symbol to send a message. For example, the simple symbolism of a cross is to represent Christianity.

Symbology is the symbolism plus how it is used in ritual (aka "ritual performance"). For example, on Good Friday of each year a man dressed in a white robe will bear a large wooden cross on his shoulders, dragging it along cobble streets in Jerusalem. People in the crowd watching will offer to take the cross for a while to relieve the man of his burden. Within the ritual context or drama, the symbol of the cross is grouped with other symbols, such as the white robe, and the location (Jerusalem, a narrow cobbled street). ALL of that "ritual performance" is symbology.



Now, since your location is stated as "Pedophile" I really don't know if you're a native English speaker or not...the only reason I said something was because the word Symbology struck me as being odd.

...

You know, I didn't really attack you so...I'm taking offense. I probably shouldn't, but that wasn't really neccesary.

I'm from America, I lived in Israel...

[Bug]

the duck in the beginning of the only one?

Amy and terry were messing around one afternoon writin a tune called "Tuna Afternoon" and Amy found the duck sound online and decided to put it in The Only One. Apparently, they still called The Only One "Tuna Afternoon"

[Animato]

Okay, now I see the duck. *wallops self*

[cowbell]

Amy and terry were messing around one afternoon writin a tune called "Tuna Afternoon" and Amy found the duck sound online and decided to put it in The Only One. Apparently, they still called The Only One "Tuna Afternoon"

that just makes me want tuna cassarole.

[Celtic Chic]

wow, these are great explanations. I really like the one with the bible verse. Could have something to do with it, or it could just be a coincidence. I'm not sure.

[Bug]

that just makes me want tuna cassarole.

i know EXACTLY what you want....muwahaha


to the other dude: it isn't really neccessary for you to be offended. She was just asking something, and using FACTS to prove her point. No one attacked anyone, she was just backing up her point

[FlamesHaveDestroyed]

i know EXACTLY what you want....muwahaha


to the other dude: it isn't really neccessary for you to be offended. She was just asking something, and using FACTS to prove her point. No one attacked anyone, she was just backing up her point

"other dude".

Awesome. <3 I love my animosity.

I'm being really jerky right now, I just hate when people go all "RAWR" at me on forums...

This is a stupid question but what the shmex is tuna casserole in reality? Like, what IS casserole?

[cowbell]

This is a stupid question but what the shmex is tuna casserole in reality? Like, what IS casserole?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuna_casserole

[FlamesHaveDestroyed]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuna_casserole

...Thank you...o_o I think. XD

Um, I never imagined it that way, but that's okay...

[haunted lullaby]

Actually, I think the symbol above The One One is a hippogriff. You know, like Buckbeak from Harry Potter. How that relates to close-mindness, I don't know. I don't think it looks like a duck. It seems to have a body of a lion and wings of an eagle, which are characteristics of a hippogriff. I could be wrong though.

[broken paradise]

Sry to burst ur bubble, but i saw that too...

[haunted lullaby]

You said that somewhere? Well, I must've overlooked it. It didn't burst my bubble, though.

[EternalWanderer]

I don't think it looks like a duck.

It's not the image that is a duck, it's the weird sound at the beggining of the song, sounds like a duck ;P

[darklies2]

Actually, I think the symbol above The One One is a hippogriff. You know, like Buckbeak from Harry Potter. How that relates to close-mindness, I don't know. I don't think it looks like a duck. It seems to have a body of a lion and wings of an eagle, which are characteristics of a hippogriff. I could be wrong though.
Well I don't think it's a hippogriff but a different kind of animal that was made up. So in other words it would be The Only One.

Oh and doesn't the CD seem like it has to do with astrology?

[orgo]

I could be totally off here but this is my take on the subject:

Amy sketched an idea and handed that off to the designers (I'm assuming that these designers were Wind-Up employees or contractors-lucky sumbiches).

Now how those artists/designers interpreted Amy's drawings is anyone's guess. Personally when I look back at the drawings that made it online from Amy's journal back in the day and the doodles on her jeans (sorry folks I'm an artist. I'm fascinated by people's drawings) she's just cool like that. She likes to draw icons of spirituality and concepts like love, music, life, etc.

However, I wouldn't read too much philosophy or ideology into any of it. I'd love to see how close Amy's sketch was to the final art. Either way it's more of an aesthetic than a message to me.

I myself have borrowed one of her drawing ideas and put it into a painting. I was just inspired by it and I wasn't trying to convey anything from the original intention her drawing.

[DhammaSeeker]

The Only One graphic looks like a winged kangaroo to me with a humanoid koala riding it.

Maybe it's a liger?
http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/1074/ligerbm9.jpg

[orgo]

Ligers are like pretty much my favorite animal. It's like a lion and a tiger mixed... bred for its skills in magic.

[Resheph]

Did anyone else notice that the center of the CD itself has an image of "the sun" and that the back of the booklet has a "moth"?

Moths are attracted to stuff that emit light, like the sun...
Maybe we, the fans, are the "moth" and Ev's "the sun" OoOoOh...
Well, I might be thinking too deeply here... Or maybe I'm just tired... Meh...

Anyways, cool thread! :D

EDIT:
Ligers are like pretty much my favorite animal. It's like a lion and a tiger mixed... bred for its skills in magic.

LOL! :D

[Eternal Star]

http://img56.imageshack.us/img56/1664/10if9.jpg
Our little fella (not sure if I could put it here)

So it's a weird animal with wings. The only thing I know is that it's too skinny (maybe to fit the page :rolleyes: ), but it doesn't look like anything I've seen before (though it indeed looks like a kangaroo)

I don't think there's a secret code involving the pictures, they just put small images related to the songs to drive us crazy trying to find any special meaning on them.

(That actually means: they put lots of subliminal messages to make us buy the album, go to the concerts and spend every cent and minute of our lives with them. MWAHAHAHAHA!)

[poisontear]

My first thought was "sphinx".

[Fallen10000]

yeah, i didmt reconize that much before. i just reconized a couple of the symbols frim the website. and i dont get the "sun and moth" thing

[sweetdelirium]

I would say The Only One is my favorite song on the album right now. I can really relate to it. A lot of songs out there about not being the only one that suffers are really depressing, but this one doesn't depress me for some reason. It cheers me up, I suppose. I usually don't look to music as my solution, but this song speaks to me for some reason. Though it kind of reminds me of Missing. It's sort of Fallen-ish, but who cares? I still love it.

[Random Shy Girl]

LoL... I always thought the little symbol above "The Only One" was a dragon. :p Cool idea about the symbols, though.

Random Shy Girl

[Derek]

Well, I think the image on the top of the Only One page may correspond to this lyric:

"one by one they all fall down, in mid flight.."

Notice there's a flying creature on the top of the page. Hmmm...

[Mercy]

Anyone notice the pentacle?
I hope Ev does not get into the same beef with Walmart as Godsmack did with their pentacle atwork inside their selftitled album.

[rainfall]

"The Only One" was the only song that I wasn't sure I had 'figured out' to me it sounds like it's about Christ's coming to Earth' did anyone else get that impression?? :confused:
I dunno... and was that a dung beetle on Call Me When Your Sober? If it is, that's kinda funny..and mean..and funny..*worried laugh*
I hope Amy or another band member clears it up about the "Only One" icon because it's going to drive me nuts XD

[Syd]

Like the true obsessive compulsive I am, the talk about the creature on the lyric sheet for "The Only One" drove me crazy ever since I read about it. I've been searching for that creature, because I know that I've seen something like it.

Here's what I came up with: I think it's either a Semargl (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simargl) or a Simurgh (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simurgh), which is basically a specific kind of griffin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griffin) that features a dog/lion head instead of an eagle.

That was driving me crazy!

[AeternusAmatorius]

hehehe i actually noticed that the first time that i looked at it...you know that amazing first time where you listen to the whole album while reading the lyrics... um about "the only one" i'm looking at the pic above the lyrics and i can't quite figure out what the animal is but i do notice that it's bitting his own wings, maybe it means something, not sure if i'm explaining myself...

hehehehe i guess that while listening to it i was like "ohhh ok" hehehe hey we're both pretty observers...

peace...


It's a griffin. It's acient egyptian.

The Hippogriff thing is what I thought of too because I couldn't think if "griffin" at the time. I also said Sphinx as well but it would be on it's stomach.

A griffin is basically a mythological animal with the head and wings of an eagle and body of a cat.

The specific Griffin on "The Only One" page is the kind with the eagle head and body of a cat.

Griffins symbolize leadership, seasons, and relationships. A griffin is also a guardian. I swear this is in Harry Potter somewhere... lol.

On the "Call Me When You're Sober" page, it's a dung beetle.

On the "Sweet Sacrifice" page, it's a Moth.


The thing about the sun and the moths being attracted to light and Evanescence being the sun and the fans as the moth is pretty cool. I like it.



What pentacle? You mean the one on the Door frame of the door in the picture sharing "The Only One" part?

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q100/AeternusAmatorius/star.jpg


I'll post what I get out of the symbols later.[/size]

[Sparkling Gray]

I remember noticing this when I was bored. I decided to go flip through TOD and noticed these things... glad to see I'm not the only one... what about the other songs before Cloud Nine? Anywho... I see no coffin or tear drop though... it's just a big pic of Amy "opening the door"...

[AeternusAmatorius]

I remember noticing this when I was bored. I decided to go flip through TOD and noticed these things... glad to see I'm not the only one... what about the other songs before Cloud Nine? Anywho... I see no coffin or tear drop though... it's just a big pic of Amy "opening the door"...

The Tear drop and Coffin are for "Lacrimosa," which means to weep. And the coffin is for "Like You." This is in the DIGITAL booklet.

Speaking of the digital booklet, does anyone have all the pictures above the song lyrics from the digital booklet?

[korrigan]

My first thought was "sphinx".

eh, I don't think sphinx, sphinx are very particular, body of a lion, head of a man, hawk, or ram, and that to me does not look sphinxy.

IMHO, it's a griffen. a winged lionish creature. Now, this is only from years of classic studies and mythology classes...

but my 'interpretation' of the 'symbolism' of a griffen, sphinx, hippogryph...whatnot here is that Amy was kind of an outcast in High school, the kind of kid that went around doodling ligers and griffens, and felt generally like the 'only one' like that. I was that, the theatre/choir/band/artsy nerd type. You live in your own fantasy world most of the time where you're the only person who understands you...

I'm going to stop rambling now and go do real homework. cyas.

[korrigan]

It's a griffin. It's acient egyptian.

On the "Call Me When You're Sober" page, it's a dung beetle.

On the "Sweet Sacrifice" page, it's a Moth.


The thing about the sun and the moths being attracted to light and Evanescence being the sun and the fans as the moth is pretty cool. I like it.



What pentacle? You mean the one on the Door frame of the door in the picture sharing "The Only One" part?
[/size]

This is what I just dug up (no pun intended) on the beetle- aka the scarab from Egypt:

The hieroglyphic image of the beetle represents a trilateral phonetic that Egyptologists transliterate as xpr or ḫpr and translate as "to come into being", "to become" or "to transform". The image of the scarab, conveying ideas of transformation, renewal, and resurrection, is ubiquitous in ancient Egyptian religious and funerary art.

And the moth- a moth I must say I really like. It's on the Lithium singles.
Moth- a transformation (from coccoon to moth), finding the light (I'm gonna let it go!), reincarnation, resurrection, and it can also be a foreteller of death (the letting go of sorrow?)

wow. I have spent one (or 5) too many years analysing symbology in literature. I'm working on my Master's now, please tell me to shut up if I'm being annoying. Because I could keep going on this for days. I'm a well trained puppy. Sit. Beg. Write thesis. Good girl.

[AaronAARON]

I think the Butterfly(or moth) on the Sweet Sacrifice symbolizes that people kill or ruin these beautiful innocent animals for their own personal reasons?

and the Dunbeetle on CMWYS is how this little thing carries such a big usless weight on only itself. such as Amy and the relationship

[Mercy]

It's a griffin. It's acient egyptian.

The Hippogriff thing is what I thought of too because I couldn't think if "griffin" at the time. I also said Sphinx as well but it would be on it's stomach.

A griffin is basically a mythological animal with the head and wings of an eagle and body of a cat.

The specific Griffin on "The Only One" page is the kind with the eagle head and body of a cat.

Griffins symbolize leadership, seasons, and relationships. A griffin is also a guardian. I swear this is in Harry Potter somewhere... lol.

On the "Call Me When You're Sober" page, it's a dung beetle.

On the "Sweet Sacrifice" page, it's a Moth.


The thing about the sun and the moths being attracted to light and Evanescence being the sun and the fans as the moth is pretty cool. I like it.



What pentacle? You mean the one on the Door frame of the door in the picture sharing "The Only One" part?

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q100/AeternusAmatorius/star.jpg


I'll post what I get out of the symbols later.[/size]

Yeah that one. I'm just supprised no parent have raged on this like they did with the Godsmack CD!

[The Black Parade]

Probably because it's too small to really notice. Either that or the parents just don't care.

[Chiara]

I've noticed this symbols the first time I've opened The Open door book.Every song has a symbol that explains the meaning of each songs. I like them! They are so cool! :D

[Mercy]

This is why many still choose to buy a CD rather tan perchase on itunes or any other site. I love opening the CD and thumbing through photos and art work.
I know some downloads also download the booklet. But it's just not the same as having it in your hands!!!

[Sick Forever]

Probably because it's too small to really notice. Either that or the parents just don't care.

It`s both. I think that the animal over "The Only One' Lyrics look sort of like a Greyhound`s head, the wings of some bird, and the tail of a kangaroo rat. Or maybe I`m insane. Most likely I`m insane. (What with the wierd picture?)

[ErgoProxy]

^ Yeah, I have to agree. What is the point of posting that weird picture?:eek:

I'm not sure, but maybe that person thinks that that's how you post avatars. I've seen people do that before thinking that it will show as a signature. :x

[AeternusAmatorius]

This is what I just dug up (no pun intended) on the beetle- aka the scarab from Egypt:

The hieroglyphic image of the beetle represents a trilateral phonetic that Egyptologists transliterate as xpr or ḫpr and translate as "to come into being", "to become" or "to transform". The image of the scarab, conveying ideas of transformation, renewal, and resurrection, is ubiquitous in ancient Egyptian religious and funerary art.

And the moth- a moth I must say I really like. It's on the Lithium singles.
Moth- a transformation (from coccoon to moth), finding the light (I'm gonna let it go!), reincarnation, resurrection, and it can also be a foreteller of death (the letting go of sorrow?)

wow. I have spent one (or 5) too many years analysing symbology in literature. I'm working on my Master's now, please tell me to shut up if I'm being annoying. Because I could keep going on this for days. I'm a well trained puppy. Sit. Beg. Write thesis. Good girl.

The Beetle/Roach/Potato Bug is on the "Lithium" Singles not the moth.

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q100/AeternusAmatorius/LithiumRadioPromo-2.jpg

Probably because it's too small to really notice. Either that or the parents just don't care.

Either that or they didn't see that. Don't say that to the parents who sued Wind-Up for not putting a Parental Advisory label on "Anywhere But Home."

[AeternusAmatorius]

It`s both. I think that the animal over "The Only One' Lyrics look sort of like a Greyhound`s head, the wings of some bird, and the tail of a kangaroo rat. Or maybe I`m insane. Most likely I`m insane. (What with the wierd picture?)

It's a griffin.

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q100/AeternusAmatorius/Griffin.jpg


http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q100/AeternusAmatorius/griffin.gif

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q100/AeternusAmatorius/Griffin2.jpg

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q100/AeternusAmatorius/griffin3.jpg
<more like the one from "The Open Door."

[Random Shy Girl]

Damn, I was sure it was some kind of weird dragon. :p Oh, well.

Random Shy Girl

[AeternusAmatorius]

Would you guys like to read my interpretations?

[Mercy]

Would you guys like to read my interpretations?

No


LOL Kidding Yes, I'm curious This was a most interesting thread indeed!!!!

[Aylathianne]

I'd say your critter is definitely a gryphon or a feathery dragon. Stylized, for sure, but certainly a mythical creature of some kind. How it relates to the song, I dunno.

I'm a fantasy freak, and I kept seeing a dragon all through that song anyway.


"Don't look down, don't look into the eyes of the world beneath you,
Don't look down, you'll fall down, you'll become their sacrifice"

I have a hard time interpreting that song anyway.

[gothicprince]

Evanescence´s lyric are for interpret it, in the hard way

[korrigan]

The Beetle/Roach/Potato Bug is on the "Lithium" Singles not the moth.

My Lithium (pt. 2) Single has three golden moths on a white background (the cd does)

[AeternusAmatorius]

My Lithium (pt. 2) Single has three golden moths on a white background (the cd does)

The roach is on the Radio Promo. And I have no idea what the CD artwork looks like because I only have the "Everybody's Fool" single.



My Intrepretations: I gathered this from researching symbolism:

Sweet Sacrifice: Moth: The moth is basically a butterfly, a night butterfly, and a moth symbolizes metamorphosis and transformation. The transformation from being afraid to being strong. "It's true, we're all a little insane, But it's so clear, Now that I'm unchained. Fear is only in our minds Taking over all the time, Fear is only in our minds But it's taking over all the time."

Call Me When You're Sober: Dung Beetle: That's what people who do drugs and ruin their lives seem like. Nothing but crap for choosing that path. And they're crap because they've ruined their lives and the people who love them lives. <Sorry about the grammar.

Weight Of The World: Umbrella: "Free fall free fall all through life." Anyone get the sense of Mary Poppins? She uses an umbrella to "fly." "I won't be held down..." The umbrella picking someone up. Has anyone see those cartoons where the characters run off a cliff and they randomly pull out an umbrella and thing it'll help them? Well...

Lithium: Roach/Potato Bug/Umbrella: Protection from whatever it is harming you. In this case sorrow.

Cloud Nine: Flying bird: Flying high - "I just want to feel that high." - A bird flying high. "If I fall and all is lost It's where I belong." The peace of knowing that's where you belong.

Snow White Queen: Caged Bird: The caged bird is trapped in the cage and can't get out. "I can't escape the twisted way you think of me." Amy can't escape the way her stalker thinks of her.

Lacrimosa: Tear drop: Lacrimosa means "to weep." - "Can this be what you really wanted, baby?" and "Blame it on me, Set your guilt free, Nothing can hold you back now."

Like You: Coffin: Pretty self-expiatory.

Lose Control: Lamb: "Mary had a lamb..." Sheering sheep - "If I cut you down to a thing in can use."

The Only One: Griffin: Griffins are said to be leaders. "All our lives, We've been waiting, For someone to call out leader." They're also said to be guardians. "Don't look down Don't look into the eyes of the world beneath you Don't look down, you'll fall down You'll become their sacrifice." - guarding something that you/they might become.

Your Star: Telescope: Looking into a far away place. Looking for that star that she can't find.

All That I'm Living For: Key: "Lock the last open door." "So I'll find myself, So I won't be lost again." - A lot of people say a key is to find something that is lost.

Good Enough: Heart Pendant: Self explanatory. Josh, "I feel good enough for you to love me to."

[Blueheart89]

"Call Me When You're Sober: Dung Beetle: That's what people who do drugs and ruin their lives seem like. Nothing but crap for choosing that path. And they're crap because they've ruined their lives and the people who love them lives. <Sorry about the grammar."


The symbol above the Call me when you're sober lyrics is not a dung beetle...its a honey pot ant...

http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o21/formica89/aust9.jpg

pretty huh? :)

[DeCheez]

The Only One has a retarded sheep lion devil type thing... possibly to symbolize the fact tht that thing is probably the only one that exists?
i dunno though... :)

[FFXSoul91]

The Only One has a retarded sheep lion devil type thing... possibly to symbolize the fact tht that thing is probably the only one that exists?
i dunno though... :)


Lol. That's definently a griffin.

[PirateQueenx]

"Call Me When You're Sober: Dung Beetle: That's what people who do drugs and ruin their lives seem like. Nothing but crap for choosing that path. And they're crap because they've ruined their lives and the people who love them lives. <Sorry about the grammar."


The symbol above the Call me when you're sober lyrics is not a dung beetle...its a honey pot ant...

http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o21/formica89/aust9.jpg

pretty huh? :)

Wow; that's cool.
I would never have gotton onto thatt! :].
They're well cool creatures :].
x.

[AaronAARON]

"Call Me When You're Sober: Dung Beetle: That's what people who do drugs and ruin their lives seem like. Nothing but crap for choosing that path. And they're crap because they've ruined their lives and the people who love them lives. <Sorry about the grammar."


The symbol above the Call me when you're sober lyrics is not a dung beetle...its a honey pot ant...

http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o21/formica89/aust9.jpg

pretty huh? :)

that reminds of me of this little thing carrying such a huge burden, in this case amy carrying the relationship with shaun if that makes sense.

[A*Morbid*Hope]

The umbrella for "Weight of the World" probably means like protection from people dissing them...like an umbrella [aka true fans] that protect her from the rain, well, more like acid rain [aka stupid people]

[EightOctaves]

^The HOney Pot ant is really cool, I knew it didn't make sense for it to be a dung beetle, but I couldnever work it out so... thanks.

I noticed them first day I got the album (I'm reasonably observant see) and tried to make connections. I thought it was a really cool thing, though and I like the way these symbols feature in other places - on the merch, as the background 'set' at festivals ... and if GE is 4 th single, I thing the heart symbol should be somehow incorporated on the cover/CD. :)

[.rock.goddess.]

wow, this is really interesting!! im bad at making connections....lol. i wonder what the other symbols mean for the other songs? *ponders off*

[DeMarzi]

Actually, I noticed that about a week ago.

[shinobe777]

Symboloby: I think I've finally found the right thread to discuss this...

I absolutely love "Call me when your sober" (CMWYS). But the video was even more profound for me when I saw it. Oh... so much to say!

The colors:
Black, Red, Green.... Victim, Abuser who is a vampire, Wolves which hunt in packs & are relentless in their pursuit...

In nature, Black, Red, Yellow among other vivid colors represent Danger! They say, 'Beware, I can kill you!' The song itself appears to be about an abusive relationship with the guy being a manipulative, agressive alcoholic. So, these colors Amy wears - who is the victim - actually are an enticement to the Abuser. He sees this coloration as a challenge and attempts to Dominate her more instead of backing off.

I come from an alcoholic abusive background & this coloration is just phenomenal. It is the typical setting where the Victim attempts to gain some control over themselves w/in the abusive relationship but thier actions only cause the Abuser to be more dominating, agressive, and possessive. i.e. the Victims attempts back-fire.

Vampires - I hate them! & yes, I deal w/ real ones. They drain the life from people for their own pleasure, enjoyment, control. But the draining is slow, subtle. They are possessive controllers only seeking their own gains...

From the video, the Vampire drains Amy of life, hope, freedom. For his own pleasure, his own personal gain w/o regard to her. As long as he gets what he wants - all is OK.

What an expression of co-depentent relationships!! What a beautifully vivid exposition of the mans sickness and her struggle to gain herself back.

The Wolves: who owns them? Are they guardians? or watchers of the Vampire? Typically, they are guardians..... for the Vampire. Watchers.... for the Vampire. I see them as a means of the Vampire controlling every move, action, and place Amy goes sent by the Vampire.

So typical of manipulative, controlling and possessive pyschos! And yes, I consider them Vampiric in nature. And I've delbt w/ them in my life.

Then, .... finally.... @ the end of the video, Amy gains control back of her life... I love these words, "I've made up YOUR mind." What poetic beauty. What strength. WHAT RISK she took! Yes, risk. When confronting such a psycho, the confrontation is 98% likely to be VIOLENT.

It was for me. It has been for many of my sisters. It has been for many women I have met who've had to escape from such sickness.

True story: PUTNAM VALLEY - After Steven Lessard, a nuclear engineer battling emotional problems, strangled his wife and daughter, he tucked them neatly back into their beds. Much later -after shoveling snow off the end of his driveway - Lessard took a steak knife and killed himself, leaving behind two inches of blood in the bathtub. posted by another EV fan. http://p069.ezboard.com/fworldwidechurchofgodalumniforumfrm10.showMessage? topicID=2334.topic

CMWYS is a wonderful video. When I saw it, I fell out of my chair! I bought it immediately off iTunes and haven't stopped watching it. There is always something I've missed that I find.

These words... they are so powerful Should I let you fall?
Lose it all? So maybe you can remember yourself.

My response was "Hell ya!" A lesson I learned the hard way. Be yourself in a relationship. Say what's on your mind & let the chips fall! Don't worry so much about the other's feelings, I've got feelings too & they can deal with mine! since I'm caring enough to deal with there.

But the Abuser EXPECTS Amy to deal w/ his feelings, wants, desires, DEMANDS with NO concept, clue, concern about dealing with hers because if he did, that would inconvenience him getting was he wants. A totally self-centered, self-serving jerk! Can't stand'em.:mad: :mad:

Oh, and don't confine alcoholism to simply liquor. An alcoholic is really someone "drunk" on something or someone: liquor, their emotional baggage, their wants - every conversation they turn to themselves about thier problems or what they've done that equals what you've done & more. The whole relationship is about them. The Vampire.

What do y'all (Southern for you all) think of my interpretation of CMWYS?

[britches]

Question: if I bought the album off of iTunes am I supposed to be able to see these things? I saw you said Lacrymosa has a tear drop, but for every single song I just see the album cover. I did get this weird little thing called like "Interactive booklet", but when I click on it nothing happens. Any ideas??

Edit: I just read shinobe's post and wow... you looked really really deep into that video! I never read into things that much. But your interpretation was pretty cool, I have to admit I'm a little jealous you're so good at that kind of thing. I don't do it b/c I suck at it. Anyway, I really liked it, it kind of makes CMWYS a little different for me in a better way. Before I thought I couldn't relate b/c I don't really know anyone who's alcoholic and hence abusive, but I do know someone who fits exactly into your description of someone drunk off of their emotional baggage or whatever who is very emotionally abusive. :)

More Edit: Sorry, haha, I figured out how to play the interactive booklet. I've had it since October and never been able to figure it out until right now. *Sweet*

[shinobe777]

no help here. i just bought the cd

[Froskest]

I've also thought about those pictures,
and I figured out something like you did.
I'm not sure about The Only One, either,
but I kinda think of TOO as the most religious song on the whole record.
The picture looks a bit like .. dunno. Divine and holy.

So. I think it represents something unusual, powerful and divine.

"heaven shine a light down on me"
"all our lives we've been waiting for someone to call our leader".



EDIT: And wtf is the picture on CMWYS supposed to represent? oO *Wonders*

[shinobe777]

I've also thought about those pictures,
and I figured out something like you did.
I'm not sure about The Only One, either,
but I kinda think of TOO as the most religious song on the whole record.
The picture looks a bit like .. dunno. Divine and holy.

So. I think it represents something unusual, powerful and divine.

"heaven shine a light down on me"
"all our lives we've been waiting for someone to call our leader".



EDIT: And wtf is the picture on CMWYS supposed to represent? oO *Wonders*

TOO is sweet. You know, I get different impressions reading the lyrics than I do from just listening to them. There is so much symbology they put into everything. As for the Open Door for TOO, numerous things come to mind. But ot have a light shine down from heaven on someone? In my mind means one must "rise from the grave." The Open Door? The Tomb opened so that "Lazarus" may go free to leave the world of the dead to enter the world of the living.

You're right. It is a very religious song & I'd NEVER had noticed it - this soon- w/o your help. Appreciate the insight!

[shinobe777]

Froskest ** EDIT: And wtf is the picture on CMWYS supposed to represent? oO *Wonders*

May be she's taking control of the controller's chains.... that is what I see.... On the lighter side, it's just an absolutely gorgeous picture of Amy and I'd like to be that wolf! ha, ha, ha,ha...:p

[Froskest]

May be she's taking control of the controller's chains.... that is what I see.... On the lighter side, it's just an absolutely gorgeous picture of Amy and I'd like to be that wolf! ha, ha, ha,ha...:p

lol. Something like that :P

[show your gun]

yea i noticed that the first day too.

lol:)

[AeternusAmatorius]

"Call Me When You're Sober: Dung Beetle: That's what people who do drugs and ruin their lives seem like. Nothing but crap for choosing that path. And they're crap because they've ruined their lives and the people who love them lives. <Sorry about the grammar."


The symbol above the Call me when you're sober lyrics is not a dung beetle...its a honey pot ant...

http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o21/formica89/aust9.jpg

pretty huh? :)

How did you figure that out?

The Only One has a retarded sheep lion devil type thing... possibly to symbolize the fact tht that thing is probably the only one that exists?
i dunno though... :)

I've stated before that it was a griffon. It's really the only thing that makes sense. A dragon doesn't.

A Griffon is a guardian.

The griffin, griffon or gryphon [1] (from Old French grifon [2]) is a legendary creature with the body of a lion and the head and wings of an eagle. As the lion was traditionally considered the king of the beasts and the eagle the king of the birds, the griffin was thought to be an especially powerful and majestic creature. [3] In antiquity it was a symbol of divine power and a guardian of the divine.[4]

"The Only One" has power and guardian written all over that song. Especially in the "Don't look down, Don't look into the eyes Of the world beneath you Don't look down, you'll fall down, You'll become their sacrifice Right or wrong Can't hold onto the the fear That I'm lost without you If I can't feel, I'm not mine, I'm not real." And the "All our lives We've been waiting For someone to call our leader."

"Don't look down
Don't look into the eyes
Of the world benetah you
Don't look down, you'll fall down,
You'll become their sacrifice."

I interpret it as someone looking out for someone who has spread their wings and is getting out of their parents' house, and getting into the real world.


Or it could be a Simorgh.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e3/Saena.jpg

A Simorgh is depicted in Iranian art as a winged creature in the shape of a bird, gigantic enough to carry off an elephant or a whale. It appears as a kind of peacock with the head of a dog and the claws of a lion; sometimes however also with a human face. The simorgh is inherently benevolent and unambiguously female. Being part mammal, she suckles her young. The Simorgh has teeth. It has an enmity towards snakes and its natural habitat is a place with plenty of water. Its feathers are said to be the colour of copper, and though it was originally described as being a Dog-Bird, later it was shown with either the head of a man or a dog.

But I think it's a griffion. The picture in the booklet matches all the pictures and the descriptions of griffions.

Also, from skimming through the things stated on the page, it's related, or said to be like a Phoenix.

[nene.h2p]

OMG, this is really amazing 'cause I've searched all forums and none of them says anything about this!!! I believe that anything Amy and her band put into the Cd is not just a concidence, it has meanings that she wants us to personally figure it out in the end, and she wins!!!:D

[Chiara]

OMG, this is really amazing 'cause I've searched all forums and none of them says anything about this!!! I believe that anything Amy and her band put into the Cd is not just a concidence, it has meanings that she wants us to personally figure it out in the end, and she wins!!!:D
Yeah you're right! I like the symbology in TOD and my favourite is the heart.It makes me think about Titanic heart of the ocean jewel! :D

[Luminescence]

ok sence we got the 'TOO' thing covered, all i want to know is why does WOTW have an umberila....or does Lithium have the Umberilla, both song lyrics are on the same page and the Moth for SS!
????

[Blueheart89]

How did you figure that out?



I have a freaky affinity for ants....and as soon as I saw the symbol it was just obvious to me. A dung beetle has more...mass... than an ant, which is more slimmer. and besides, beetles dont have antennaes on theire butts. :)

[shinobe777]

that reminds of me of this little thing carrying such a huge burden, in this case amy carrying the relationship with shaun if that makes sense.

don't know bout "shaun" but is Amy got stung really bad - abused, something - that sure explains some of the depth she sure is exposing in her music. It hits home w/ me.

[Zack]

lol, i noticed that when i first got the cd last september. the only ones i noticed were the Lose Controll, SWQ, ATILF, and GE ones

[BostonBabe]

I did actually notice the symbols at the top of the pages the first time I looked through the booklet.

[CheshireCat]

OMG, this is really amazing 'cause I've searched all forums and none of them says anything about this!!! I believe that anything Amy and her band put into the Cd is not just a concidence, it has meanings that she wants us to personally figure it out in the end, and she wins!!!:D

I think that someone bet Amy- 'I bet you can't get a honey pot ant into your CD'.. she said 'oh yeah?' and put in a random pic of one! hehe!!
or... they could have put in the pics to wind up the fans and make them think there's a deep meaning when they're actually completely random pics!!!:D

[Zack]

they could have put in the pics to wind up the fans and make them think there's a deep meaning when they're actually completely random pics!!!:D

thats the one thing in this thread i beleive the most

[Last Angel]

Also Sweet Sacrifice has a butterfly like thing I'm sure I saw in the video. CMWYS has a kind of insect and Weight Of The World and umbrella... Hmmm... Also, where is the coffin in Like You I can't seem to find it... :confused:
Also the teardrop... I can't find Lacrymosa's teardrop.

[AeternusAmatorius]

I have a freaky affinity for ants....and as soon as I saw the symbol it was just obvious to me. A dung beetle has more...mass... than an ant, which is more slimmer. and besides, beetles dont have antennaes on theire butts. :)

Oh. Lol. And dung beetles push the big ball of poop with their butts... I remember watching a movie about them in science.


Also Sweet Sacrifice has a butterfly like thing I'm sure I saw in the video. CMWYS has a kind of insect and Weight Of The World and umbrella... Hmmm... Also, where is the coffin in Like You I can't seem to find it... :confused:
Also the teardrop... I can't find Lacrymosa's teardrop.

"Sweet Sacrifice" is a species of a moth (in which moth's are a night butterfly). "Call Me When You're Sober" is a honey pot ant... It was stated a few pages back with a picture.

The teardrop and coffin is in the digital booklet that you get when you ordered the album from iTunes. I can't remember what the picture is above "Weight of the World" and "Lithium" in the digital booklet... Can anyone help? Or can someone tell us what the pictures are above every song in the digital booklet and can you post the pictures form the digital booklet, please?

Wait. Isn't the picture on the "Lithium" page in the digital booklet a roach or something?

[TwilightJester]

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k292/TheMushumanJester/evlithium.jpg

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k292/TheMushumanJester/evlacrymosa.jpg

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k292/TheMushumanJester/evlikeyou.jpg

Weight of the World had an umbrella.. ella. Ugh, kill me, kill me now.

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k292/TheMushumanJester/evWOTW.jpg

[AeternusAmatorius]

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k292/TheMushumanJester/evlithium.jpg

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k292/TheMushumanJester/evlacrymosa.jpg

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k292/TheMushumanJester/evlikeyou.jpg

Weight of the World had an umbrella.. ella. Ugh, kill me, kill me now.

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k292/TheMushumanJester/evWOTW.jpg

Thanks. What was the picture that "Weight of the World" was on? It looks like clouds... lol. And why did you say "Ugh, kill me, kill me now."?

[TwilightJester]

Kill me now aimed at the horrible Umbrella joke. I hear that song SO many times a day at work that it echoes through my brain sometimes. :mad:

Oh and yeah, the WOTW picture was my avatar for a while. I had copied the logo and made a cloudy background thing for it. I was just too lazy to upload the album picture. :p

[AeternusAmatorius]

Kill me now aimed at the horrible Umbrella joke. I hear that song SO many times a day at work that it echoes through my brain sometimes. :mad:

Oh and yeah, the WOTW picture was my avatar for a while. I had copied the logo and made a cloudy background thing for it. I was just too lazy to upload the album picture. :p

Oh haha, okay. lol. And I have no idea what the Umbrella song/joke is... lol. But okay.

Thanks.

[The Black Parade]

Lol. Of course the album art is going to have elements from the songs. The booklet that comes with a CD isn't just there to make the front cover look good, it's there as an accompaniment to the CD itself.

[TwilightJester]

Ooh, you're lucky that you haven't heard it, Aeternus! Everyone I know seems to love it, all types of people.. It's a current popular song. I do not like it at all.

Anyway.. sort of back on topic.. I made an alternate The Only One symbol. :D

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k292/TheMushumanJester/evTunaAsymbol.jpg

[ShadowCat713]

ewwwwwwwwww bugs!

[AeternusAmatorius]

It's not a bug. It's a fishy!

Lol TwilightJester.

[Armando_O]

check this thread to see more info about the animal on sweet scrifice and the cover of top booklet, the catocala lacrymosa

http://www.evthreads.com/showthread.php?t=8514

abvout the only one symbol or animal or w/e..maybe it's cuz it's a unique creature! the only one!

[PoetOfWhispers]

My interpretation of the honey pot ant in CMWYS is that if something eats the ant and the honey ferments in its stomach it will get drunk.
I'm overthinking this way too much :bangshead:

[lynn_farie]

Ooh, you're lucky that you haven't heard it, Aeternus! Everyone I know seems to love it, all types of people.. It's a current popular song. I do not like it at all.

Anyway.. sort of back on topic.. I made an alternate The Only One symbol. :D

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k292/TheMushumanJester/evTunaAsymbol.jpg

I LOVE IT!!!

As for the real picture above only one... could it be some mythological creature that symbolizes something to do with the song? I need to go do some research...

[FFXSoul91]

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k292/TheMushumanJester/evlikeyou.jpg

I saw a version elsewhere with a coffin, also.

[Ivanescence17]

and have u got all the symbols?? cuz some are missing..
would u pleease upload them??

the missing ones are
Cloud Nine
Snow White Queen
Your Star
Weight of the world
lose control.....

or has anyone got them?

[frozeninside]

that mythological creature is a griffin, it has the head and wings of an eagle and the body of a lion. the meaning of the symbol has got something to do with the lyrics, when they all come crashing down-midflight. or it could have something to do with the meaning of the song, i don't know....

[Chiara]

In Ev Reference there is all the meaning of every single symbol.It's very interesting,even though i had understood almost every single symbol.

[h>>>]

the only one of these symbols that i actually figured out myself was the key / lock the last open door from atilf. haha. im very slow at these sorta things.

[mrtingda]

The Beetle/Roach/Potato Bug is on the "Lithium" Singles not the moth.

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q100/AeternusAmatorius/LithiumRadioPromo-2.jpg



Either that or they didn't see that. Don't say that to the parents who sued Wind-Up for not putting a Parental Advisory label on "Anywhere But Home."
I think they sued Wal-Mart....not Wind Up...i dont know thats what I read

[sweetdecadence]

^I think that insect on the Lithium single cover is this one:
http://www.insectos.cl/aranas/img/full/isopodos02.jpg
they're very common,
don't know how it's called in english though...

[karloz]

^I think that insect on the Lithium single cover is this one:
http://www.insectos.cl/aranas/img/full/isopodos02.jpg
they're very common,
don't know how it's called in english though...


There's lots of those in my back yard and trust me, they're not like the one in the Lithium cover ;) , we call them "cochinillas" here in Mexico

[FFXSoul91]

I have a very simple theory on why the Honeypot Ant is used for Call Me When You're Sober. Honeypot Ants collect and store large amounts of liquid within their abdomen (which you can clearly see in the picture). So, in our case, this liquid is alcohol and I'm sure you can figure out who the Honeypot Ant is. :p

[Batman]

I've searched through this whole thread, does anyone have a good quality scan or something of the moth ? I've been wanting to sketch it forever and the one in the booklet is too small. :(

[El Diablo]

I have a very simple theory on why the Honeypot Ant is used for Call Me When You're Sober. Honeypot Ants collect and store large amounts of liquid within their abdomen (which you can clearly see in the picture). So, in our case, this liquid is alcohol and I'm sure you can figure out who the Honeypot Ant is. :p
you mean shaun is fat because he used to drink a lot

LMAO!!!!!!!! im repping you right now

i love shaun though

[Rock_Faerie]

It's a griffin. It's acient egyptian.

Griffins are Greek, not Egyptian :)

[ghetto fab]

Amy should have doves, pandas, or any other number of nice, docile creatures next to her in the booklet ♥.

[Batman]

I prefer Bears. ;)

hehe

[DarkAngelVampyress]

i dont get the umberella to be quite honest.. lol

and my book doesnt have pictures for like you lacrymosa and wtf is the picture for cmwys? looks like a bug coming out of a snal shell


*has brainwave*

the butterfly from the preview page coming out of its pupi?

[Phucket]

Yeah, and what about the pregnant ant for CMWYS? And the butterfly for Sweet Sacrifice? Let's try to figure out those ones.

Weight of the World: I think the umbrella symbolizes all the grief and pain just pouring down on you. Since Lithium is on the same page, I assume it's for both.

Lithium: Read above.

Cloud Nine: Freedom is what I think it symbolizes and wanting to just...fly away and break free.

Snow White Queen: Being possessed by an obsessor and being trapped.

Lacrymosa: Doesn't have anything.

Like You: Maybe we shouldn't discuss that one.

Lose Control: An innocent lamb being influenced by...Amy Lee. Badly influenced, mind you.

The Only One: It has some sort of dog with wings. It looks like something Egyptian. I have no idea.

Your Star: The telescope. Amy...wandering alone...looking for a star. Maybe a lover?

All That I'm Living For: The key to lock the last open door.

Good Enough: A heart that is warm and feels complete.

Overall, mainly what you said, but that's what it means to me.

[Larki13]

The Only One: It has some sort of dog with wings. It looks like something Egyptian. I have no idea.

I think that might be a griffin. It's a "symbol of divine power or a guardian of the divine" according to Wikipedia. Not sure what that has to do with TOO, but I didn't write the song, so...

[KyleB]

I will call Amy tomorrow and post her reply!

[Homers_child]

wtf is the picture for cmwys? looks like a bug coming out of a snal shell


Yeah, and what about the pregnant ant for CMWYS?

You guys mean the dung beetle?:p

Your Star: The telescope. Amy...wandering alone...looking for a star. Maybe a lover?

A lover.. maybe.. or God/higherpower. ;)
*stands rigidly by own YS theory*

[deathbyirony]

And the butterfly for Sweet Sacrifice? Let's try to figure out those ones.
Catocala Lacrymosa: http://evanescencereference.info/wiki/index.php?title=Catocala_Lacrymosa

There's your answer. Note the use of the name of the butterfly.

[ishkabibble]

the thing for CMWYS is NOT a Dung beatle, it's a honey pot ant.

http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o21/formica89/aust9.jpg

all of the stuff being inquired about above is pretty much answered around the middle of the thread, at least the lacrymosa moth, the honey pot ant, and the griffin.

[conllo1964]

Throughout American music history there have really been only a handful of times when performers used in the advertisement of there album releases actual subliminal messages, either by records being played back wards and a reverse message was actually placed into the song that was actually only done twice at least on purpose not by accident.

Or when the Beatles released the white album and it showed the members of the band walking across a British street corner except Paul McCartney is the only one wearing an all white tuxedo and bare foot, witch is also the custom attire for an individual when he or she dies, the band had been in seclusion for some time and rumours where started of the band breaking up with Paul leaving the band hence the picture on the album cover I just described, launched enormous amounts of what ifs and the band remained in the spot lite.

The group STYX there were a very famous band during the late 70's,80's, 90's, there name was supposed to be the same for the river styx, according to mythology is a river that leads to hell, or Fleet-wood Mac with the use of crystal balls on there album covers when ever Stevie Nicks was part of the group to imply that there future was tied with the devil because supposedly Stevie was a witch and they were able to see their future.

The pros creating these symbols know only to well that if there true meaning were released to the general public they would be out of business, because the truth is that a lot of what are described here even in this thread about these symbols like the pregnant ant for example is probably nothing more than "WOW that looks cool lets stick it in here, or " Needed more stuff to fill space so the fat ant fit the ticket'.

And at times it is just pure artistic talent like a Gogan what does he really mean with what he paints, no one will ever know it's there for you to admire and for you to think what does it mean to you, remember the gauge to use when measuring how good an artist is (this includes musicians, actors etc, etc,) is this, does there performance stir an emotion, does it piss you off, does it make you laugh, does it make you cry, does it make you believe the story that performer is conveying to you, that is the unwritten Golden rule that every performer strives for.

An when these graphic and illustration artist sit down to create the art work for these Cd's, albums, DVDs they are going for the very same affect here as well.

And how would you actualy know about any this of stuff really?
Well let's just say that I have some close ties to the performing arts and wish to contribute to the knowledge base here as a better informed fan, will make for a better industry as a whole.

I hope you found this write up informative and a good read as was my intent when I wrote it.

[deathbyirony]

Throughout American music history there have really been only a handful of times when performers used in the advertisement of there album releases actual subliminal messages, either by records being played back wards and a reverse message was actually placed into the song that was actually only done twice at least on purpose not by accident.

Or when the Beatles released the white album and it showed the members of the band walking across a British street corner except Paul McCartney is the only one wearing an all white tuxedo and bare foot, witch is also the custom attire for an individual when he or she dies, the band had been in seclusion for some time and rumours where started of the band breaking up with Paul leaving the band hence the picture on the album cover I just described, launched enormous amounts of what ifs and the band remained in the spot lite.

The group STYX there were a very famous band during the late 70's,80's, 90's, there name was supposed to be the same for the river styx, according to mythology is a river that leads to hell, or Fleet-wood Mac with the use of crystal balls on there album covers when ever Stevie Nicks was part of the group to imply that there future was tied with the devil because supposedly Stevie was a witch and they were able to see their future.

The pros creating these symbols know only to well that if there true meaning were released to the general public they would be out of business, because the truth is that a lot of what are described here even in this thread about these symbols like the pregnant ant for example is probably nothing more than "WOW that looks cool lets stick it in here, or " Needed more stuff to fill space so the fat ant fit the ticket'.

And at times it is just pure artistic talent like a Gogan what does he really mean with what he paints, no one will ever know it's there for you to admire and for you to think what does it mean to you, remember the gauge to use when measuring how good an artist is (this includes musicians, actors etc, etc,) is this, does there performance stir an emotion, does it piss you off, does it make you laugh, does it make you cry, does it make you believe the story that performer is conveying to you, that is the unwritten Golden rule that every performer strives for.

An when these graphic and illustration artist sit down to create the art work for these Cd's, albums, DVDs they are going for the very same affect here as well.

And how would you actualy know about any this of stuff really?
Well let's just say that I have some close ties to the performing arts and wish to contribute to the knowledge base here as a better informed fan, will make for a better industry as a whole.

I hope you found this write up informative and a good read as was my intent when I wrote it.
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Wow, way to not sound pretentious.
Okay, maybe that's a little rude, so let me start off by saying that I tend to come off very defensive and therefore tend to sound a little pushy with my opinions, but I assure you my goal is not to offend you. It's more out of habit than out of desire to prove you wrong, so I apologize in advance if anything I say offends you.

Anyway, I think most people do know this. The fact of the matter is, people like interpreting things, and random symbols - meaningful or not - are ideal subject for interpretations.

I don't know what you're going for with the whole Stevie Nicks shenanigan, but I'm fairly certain that your "experience" isn't what you're trying to make it sound. Look a little closer at the song "Dreams", for example: "Now here I go again I see the crystal visions/ I keep my visions to myself" - that's what the whole crystal ball thing is probably about. But it had nothing to do with the devil: rumors pertaining to Nicks and witchcraft were usually based on things like the song Rhiannon, which when performing in the seventies she made her custom to begin the song by saying "This about a Welsh witch." Also, the song "Witchy Woman" by The Eagles could have something to do with it, as it is allegedly about her since she and Don Henley were in a fairly well-publicized relationship. There are an endless number of explanations for it, both in personal interpretation, in the goals of the industry, and in her own words. And in her case, the so-called "pro" creating these symbols was Stevie herself - she has said numerous times that rumors of her being a witch were formulated from her style of dress, and she stuck with the image because it sold. Just as Amy Lee sticks with the goth image, though she admits to dressing kind of femininely IRL.

So I don't really know what you're whole point is with your experience and all that jazz, but I'm taking everything you say at face value here, and I honestly can't see your point. Yes, it is true that artists and a lot of modern pop labels will throw in meaningless symbols because they sell. This, I think, most people already know. But so what? They're still fun to decipher, and I have no doubt that some do in fact mean something, since they've been featured in singles and such. And so I respond to your question with one of my own: how do you know we're wrong, and what does it matter if we are? It's just interesting to hear peoples' views.

EDIT: A semi-related quote that I forgot about but can't help but add now because I love Stevie Nicks so much: "I heard Fleetwood Mac is amazing live." - Lindsay
"I heard Stevie Nicks is a witch." - Kim
"What do you mean?" - Lindsay
"I dunno, she does witch stuff. She casts spells on people. I heard she cast a love spell on Lindsey Buckingham." - Kim

[Black Lace]

I think that TOD's booklet is so amazingly interesting.

Theres so much to look at, and I find it interesting reading everyone's interpretations of it. I find the moth and sun one VERY interesting, and VERY logical.

I am easily amused, so whenever I get bored, I just go to this booklet and I take hours just looking at all the pretty things on it :)

[KyleB]

I've kind of had a thought about why there's no pics for Lacrymosa and Like You for the CD booklet

Lacrymosa is Mozart inspired, and experts have said that listening to Mozart can help limit the number of seizures a person can have with epilepsy (which her brother has) And we know the meaning to Like You so i'm guessing both songs are just family related sort of thing!

Just a random thought haha... might be completly wrong like, but you never know. Makes some sense to me

[TODSacrifice]

Throughout American music history there have really been only a handful of times when performers used in the advertisement of there album releases actual subliminal messages,

Or when the Beatles released the white album and it showed the members of the band walking across a British street corner except Paul McCartney is the only one wearing an all white tuxedo and bare foot, witch is also the custom attire for an individual when he or she dies, the band had been in seclusion for some time and rumours where started of the band breaking up with Paul leaving the band hence the picture on the album cover I just described, launched enormous amounts of what ifs and the band remained in the spot lite.

I hope you found this write up informative and a good read as was my intent when I wrote it.
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Actually the Beatles album you are talking about is Abbey Road, not the White Album. Also, John Lennon is the one wearing the white tuxedo, not Paul McCartney. Just saying.

Anyway, I think there is probably some symbolic meaning in music and how it is assembled but I also think much of it people read way too much into. Not everything has some deep, vast meaning. Interesting thread though as it is fascinating to read what everyone sees.

[Nightshade]

^ On the onlio1964 quote, I'd also like to state another ENORMOUS mistake. Americans tend to think os music as their creation, and therefore speak of music as a part of American history. This is vastly incorrect, and especially so because of the fact that he's talking about THE BEATLES. A band from MANCHESTER, ENGLAND. Hardly American history :rolleyes:.

[brighter_day]

This thread is also fun and fascinating but TODsacrifice is right....people read to much into.It's like Amy's surprise:everyone reads and tryes to explain the lines written by Amy in an obsesive way and we also think "What is this...surprise?"My opinion is that musicians and writers in general think more simple in real life. I'm a litttle writer myself (at least I try) and I can find so many interpretations of what I write...Imagine what others could think.

[deathbyirony]

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Actually the Beatles album you are talking about is Abbey Road, not the White Album. Also, John Lennon is the one wearing the white tuxedo, not Paul McCartney. Just saying.

Haha, I was so busy arguing with the person who wrote the post you quoted about Stevie Nicks that I totally missed the whole Beatles thing. Whoever wrote that is a ****ing idiot and knows nothing about "American music history" (as Nightshade pointed out, the Beatles were originally from Britain (hence Penny Lane, Abbey Road, etc. - for that matter, Fleetwood Mac originated in Britain as well). What a tard.

[epuffgirl]

I noticed most of this stuff, but I don't have a copy of the booklett anymore.

[TheIslander]

^ On the onlio1964 quote, I'd also like to state another ENORMOUS mistake. Americans tend to think os music as their creation, and therefore speak of music as a part of American history. This is vastly incorrect, and especially so because of the fact that he's talking about THE BEATLES. A band from MANCHESTER, ENGLAND. Hardly American history :rolleyes:.


You mean Liverpool, no?

[SongWriter1038]

I will call Amy tomorrow and post her reply!

Wtf?? Are you serious? Im so confused..

[team-amy]

my Cd dose not have those pretty pictures on the top so sad:(
PS where can i buy the Cd with the pretty pictures on it

[Moe]

I figured this out the first time I looked at the booklet three years ago. It isn't rocket science. :rolleyes:

[Puteri]

the symbols reminds me of beedle the bard book..it has symbols on its page too